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Seeing the forest AND the trees

Seeing the forest AND the trees

I’ve studied the 26 page Forest Conservation Bill (CB-62) as if I my life depends on it.  Because actually, ALL of our lives depend on the numerous functions of trees– creating oxygen, sequestering carbon, providing habitat to woodland animals, stabilizing steep slopes, intercepting rainfall to decrease run-off to name a few.  The research is conclusive that conserving existing forests (and planting more) is our key defense for combating climate change.

Certain facts stand out as truly critical, as the ones I most hope our Council Members will think about during their vote on the bill and its 12 proposed amendments on Monday 12/2/19. has all the amendments.

All trees are not created equal in terms of the benefits they deliver. While reforestation efforts are worthwhile, they can’t compare with the retention of mature trees. Nowhere is this more critical than in our densely populated east.

The statistics are astounding. One mature 100’ tree produces the oxygen of 1000 little trees. (Nowak, David J.; Hoehn, Robert; Crane, Daniel E. Oxygen Production by Urban Trees in the United States. Arboriculture & Urban Forestry 2007.33(3):220–226.)  Yet two 3″ caliper trees are all developers have been required to plant to replace specimen trees 30 inches or more in diameter. [The 44,000 native trees replanted through the County Executive’s laudable program this year will eventually produce benefits down the road and we sincerely applaud the effort. But it is none the less frightening to think that these 44,000 trees, should every one survive, would replace only 44 specimen trees, trees which DPZ allowed to be removed –rather than requiring an adjustment in a site plan.

CB-62 is designed to bring Howard County in compliance with state forest conservation regulations. It is Maryland’s laudable goal to have NO net loss of forests.  During the decades in which HoCo’s been out of compliance, we gained the reputation as being number one in forest loss as a percentage of our land area.  (In our lust for development we often forget we are the second smallest jurisdiction in the state.)

We must take tree replacement seriously. We ‘lost a lot of ground’ (trees) during these decades of non-compliance, so we shouldn’t hesitate to go beyond the minimum state requirements now to ‘make up ground’. Several proposed amendments could do just that. Examples: Amendment 12 (Jung and Walsh) requires only nursery stock plants be planted in forest mitigation banks (no whips or seedlings). This requires more maintenance, but assures a greater survival rate.

Amendment 4 (Jung and Walsh) increases the threshold percentages for most land use categories; Amendment 5 (Jung and Walsh) increases reforestation calculation ratios;

Amendment 7 (Walsh) removes the one acre minimum requirements for residential sites (Something particularly important to her constituents in the east given the smaller parcels and dense development. One would hope that Council members for Districts 2 and 3 would get behind this for the well-being of their constituents as well.)  I’d personally have loved to see an amendment which would remove in the next sentence in the same section, 16.1209.B.2, that Infill subdivisions of 10 lots or less are exempt from this requirement.)

Amendment 11 (Jung and Walsh) removes the Planning Board from the variance process in favor of the joint decision of DPZ, DPW, and OCS.

While others take us in the wrong direction….Amendment 6 (Yungman) decreases the reforestation calculation ratios

Amendment 10 (Yungman) is most concerning because it seeks to give all power back solely to the DPZ when deciding on variances, rather than a unanimous decision from DPZ, DPW, and the Office of Community Sustainability. His adding “Removal of a specimen tree in dead or dying condition does not require a variance” would be more acceptable if ‘as certified by a licensed arborist’ was added after the word condition.

The eastern part of the County suffers a lack of tree equity as a result of the failed experiment called Smart Growth.  In the east we’re losing the trees which support both our physical and mental health to westward migration. I appreciate the Council Chair’s recognition that trees are removed here and then reforested in the west. CB-62 incentivizes reforesting in the same watershed.  I sincerely hope Ms. Mercer-Rigby will see to it that the soon-to-be released Route 1 Master Plan will embrace this philosophy as well as the need to PLAN for more dedicated forested open space.

Attending and watching the work session on CB-62 brought several thoughts to mind.  The concern for property rights were repeatedly brought up (relative to the increased requirements of CB-62 reducing the amount of one’s available buildable land.) Mr. Yungmann referenced people with acreage in the west who hold the expectation of selling their land for development to finance their retirement or the education of their children.  (How come there are homeowners in other parts of the county with just an acre or so who hold the same or similar expectation—that they’ll sell for a small infill development, even if it means tearing down their existing home?)

It’s puzzling why there is this somewhat unique expectation in Howard County. In most places a person purchases a home with the expectation that over time that home will appreciate in value and they will eventually sell it to someone else seeking a home. Could it be that the Real Estate Community plants this expectation just as they did the faulty expectation that one’s children would always attend their neighborhood school in Howard County? Or is it simply the false mantra among the development community that “property rights” equals getting the maximum number of units allowed by a particular zone?  Clearly once the Forest Conservation Bill is passed and the accompanying Forest Conservation Manual is completed, there will still need to be changes in policy and practice to assure development plans are held to the new standards, standards which exemplify that quality of life and life itself depends on it. We can no longer afford to negotiate away common sense for maximum financial return to developers.  I hope the development community will see that even when they feel pinched by increased regulations, those regulations could still be much more restrictive.

Just imagine….if we required the planting of 1000 trees for each specimen tree removed (based on scientific research equivalency) rather than just two 3” diameter trees…. Surely that would make developers think twice—(or 10 times) before insisting the only possible layout for his subdivision requires removal of specimen trees.

Get a letter in to the Council letting them know you support strengthening rather than weakening amendments to CB-62 (, pay attention to the votes on Monday night, and meet me on the high road,




How come HoCo has been out of compliance with the state forest conservation regulations for over 2 decades?!? The simple answer: No administration has been brave enough to even put forward a bill, knowing how controversial it would be. Until now!

How come a forest con bill stirs up controversy? Simplistically, environmental advocates seek to preserve the natural beauty and functionality of forests, while developers regard trees as something that gets in the way of “improving” the land with structures—at the maximum density possible, of course. Today developers regard the remaining trees as an expensive nuisance, something to be removed in order to provide a blank slate on which a computer can generate an uninspiring site plan that looks pretty much like every other. It has not always been like this.

There was a time when developers like Jim Rouse sought to preserve as many trees as possible ON a residential lot. They recognized that mature tree(s) would enable an individual lot to command a premium price. I’m told that in Columbia’s early days, signs were erected which said, “Other than you, this tree is the most valuable thing on this lot.”

Much of what has contributed to soulless, treeless development today is the declaration by developers— embraced by the DPZ and DPW– that “this is how we build today.” “This” means we strip and regrade and go for maximum density over good design or even good marketing sense. (Real example: a proposed site plan for a parcel with forested parkland on 3 sides, with a river on two—with NO units facing either feature!)

Shame on YOU Howard County

I applaud County Executive Ball for declaring through this bill that it is a new day, that site development plans for example must accommodate specimen trees. No more identify-them, get-a-waiver, and cut-them-down! Taking on the task of getting this bill developed and passed is consistent with his other environmental actions such as signing on to We’re Still In, protecting pollinators, and directing the planting of 44,000 trees this year.

But how come this bill was developed without the input/assistance of environmental advocates and the development community? While both ‘sides’ will complain, this may have been a stroke of genius, which made producing a forest conservation bill possible. While I’ve personally embraced the value of ‘having a seat at the table’ I have also witnessed how unproductive a process that can be. Recent examples include the APFO Commission, the Mulching Commission, and the Clarion Development Regulation Study. In the case of the first two- many, many sessions resulted in little agreement or change in the final report. In the case of the third example—many, many sessions resulted in an exhaustive report of recommendations from a consultant with the process stopped there. When everyone is at the table with a blank canvas…. it reminds me of the saying that ‘a zebra was a horse created by a committee’.

Without Josh Feldmark, head of the Office of Community Sustainability taking the ‘keeping it in the office’ approach, the bill could have been ‘dead on arrival’ or the effort simply abandoned. Admittedly, I am among the first to suspect nefarious activity behind closed doors, but this administration has put my mind at ease with the process employed in this case.

How come my change of heart? Refer to the administration testimony submitted on the Council’s website  for a detailed summary of the changes and features. (I highly recommend reading this to help prepare letters of support or testimony.)

Bill Mahoney at the OCS was tasked with painstakingly comparing the new bill with the current regulations. The nine page color-coded chart saved me days trying to do a side by side comparison, and made it clear which provisions go beyond just compliance with state law. In addition, the OCS actually reviewed site plans from 2013 to 2018 to see what difference the proposed changes would make. This kind of testing is valuable beyond measure to discern any unintended consequences or need for fine tuning!

The result is a bill which goes beyond “the minimum daily requirement” to turn a phrase. Given the two decades of non-compliance and the research on the critical role of forest retention and reforestation as tools to fight climate change, going beyond the minimum—to make up for lost time and ‘the sins of the past’– is indeed warranted.

I’m pleased that a coalition of 16 organizations has signed on to supporting and suggesting further strengthening measures to the bill. This is appropriate given the sky-is-falling counter arguments which can be anticipated from the development community (builders, real estate professionals, investors). One can expect to hear the same dire warnings of housing shortages (especially affordable ones due to higher prices), and total economic collapse. These scripted arguments hold no more water than the ridiculous assertion that ‘resulting longer commutes will pollute the air’. Clearly they disregard the fact that mature trees are needed to sequester carbon and produce the air we need to breathe…..

But the truly offensive issue to the development community is that forest conservation potentially reduces the buildable space on a property. That correlates to fewer residential units or less square footage to rent in a commercial unit, thereby less profit margin. But just as developers were subsidized with ridiculously inadequate school impact fees for decades, so too has the county subsided their profits by not having forest conservation regulations compliant with state law. Worse yet, our HoCo government failed to enforce the lesser ones we do have!

IMHO the development community already owes residents of HoCo (and their children in overcrowded schools) a great debt. Now is NOT the time to subsidize them further at the sacrifice of our health and well-being, by watering down this legislation or failing to respect the lack of tree equity in the densely populated eastern part of HoCo.
Previous administrations and department heads permitted—even encouraged– the short sighted destruction of our forests through the over use of waivers, administrative adjustments, etc. for the mythical income of additional property taxes.

Taxpayers are aware that many public officials have been selling out the public’s health and quality of life for political contributions. They will be watching who is invited to speak at the Council work session, any resulting amendments, any delays, and the voting. Many residents will be adding their name to The People’s Voice online petition to ask our State Legislators to support a Howard County local Bill to stop campaign contributions to the positions that regulate their industry.

Please add your signature, your letter, or your voice to produce new outcomes through CB 62—and meet me on the high road,

How Come the County Council Can’t ‘Get The Math Right’?

How Come the County Council Can’t ‘Get The Math Right’?

How come our Council can’t ‘get the math right’ on development impact fees (CB-42)?  Despite passionately professing a strong desire to correctly and precisely set development impact fees to support school construction (no matter how loooong it takes), the Council seems to be heading in the wrong direction.  Through amendments which reduce or totally exempt certain developers or certain categories, the Council is SUBTRACTING when they should be ADDING to the charges.  They are having difficulty establishing an equation with the right variables which solves HoCo’s problem of inadequate school capacity.

I suspect the problem stems from the assumptions underlying their calculations and the inability to eliminate irrelevant or misleading information.

Calculating this fee is rather like the dreaded math ‘word problem’ we all faced in math classes. Surely you recall the infamous variety of “Two trains depart from two stations forty miles apart at 4:50 p.m. Train A is traveling at 38 mph and Train B is traveling at 45 mph.  At what time and at which mile marker will the engines begin to pass one another? Bonus question: Will Mr. Onno still get to pay the early bird special rate for his dinner if he waits until the engines pass one another?”

It’s dangerous to make too many assumptions in this example just as with the impact fee calculation. Should one assume from the start that the 2 trains are actually headed to the station from which each other departed—if not the trains may never pass one another. Must we guess at when the early bird special hours are?

Assuming the veracity of information provided by developers and their industry association, as well as affordable housing advocates (including those whose non-profits have the County as their major funding source) may provide similarly misleading paths. Sadly the same is true for planning staff from the HCPSS and the County, both of whom insist that new development only accounts for 42% of new student enrollment.

Why do I keep thinking about an aunt who would often lament of her mischievous offspring that “…one lies and the other swears to it.”

I do actually respect the time and effort that has gone into that 42% calculation, however, I don’t for one minute believe it.  Neither should you, the Council, or anyone who attended last week’s Council work session. It was clearly stated that “coming from new development” has been defined, by the planning departments’ rules, to only apply to any children who enter the school system within the first 2 years after the newly built home is occupied. Think for just a moment and you will realize that to assume, to accept, that definition as rational thought, truly does “make an ass of u and me.”  To accept that egregious assumption is to accept that the occupants of a newly developed home with eighteen month old triplets will have no fiscal/capacity impact on our school system!

Until this basic assumption is addressed by the Council (and both planning departments) we will continue to grossly underestimate how many children are being generated by each new development. This miscalculation has been magnified exponentially by the number of proposed amendments which provide exemptions for ‘one bleeding heart story after another’. By lowering the much needed fees and lowering the units to which it will apply even more, Council members will be permitting developers to effectively continue to steal from our children as well as pass the financial burden to taxpayers.


I must also express my disappointment that some Council members, with the best intentions to take care of our most vulnerable, are again assuming that everything they are being told by “housing advocates” is correct. The part of me that worked in the disability field for 40 years initially reacted with enthusiasm to see that low income units for persons with disabilities were being considered in CB-50-2019. However, if indeed the plan is to provide the equivalent credit of 5 affordable units for developing 1 “disability unit” some important information has clearly been withheld from the Council and the housing advocates.

The vast number of adaptations necessary to make an existing unit accessible to an individual with a physical impairment cost $200. When a new unit is constructed following “universal design for living” principles, there is little extra expense involved over the norm. For example, doorways are made wider, light switches are installed lower, as are closet rods. But ALL homes have doors, light switches and closet rods.  Today’s no-step showers can accommodate rolling in on a shower chair, and blocking for grab bars is inconsequential while walls are still open. Cabinets are eliminated under bathroom sinks and thresholds are eliminated throughout.

A conversation overheard between a developer and a development attorney confirmed this recently. It included an admission by the developer that the 1 for 5 deal would be a real money maker for them!  How come there is seemingly no end to the benefits developers receive legislatively??? Let’s rethink that 5:1 trade-off please.

It’s not too late to write to to provide guidance to the Council members on CB-42 and CB-50 before they vote on Monday evening Nov. 4th. 

Remind them, as your math teacher did, to check their work–and meet me on the high road,


A Contrasting Approach to Progress Over Perfection

A Contrasting Approach to Progress Over Perfection

Continuing the thoughts of yesterday’s blog I’ll be contrasting CB-38-2019– designed to protect lives in the Patapsco Watershed by strengthening development and subdivision regulations in the Ellicott City Floodplain with CB-42 on development impact fees. 

A major component of CB-38 is putting an end to waivers (which I’m lumping together with the almost indistinguishable alternative compliance, administrative adjustments, and variances). These are all different means by which developers are allowed to ignore our already insufficient regulations on forest conservation, storm water management, building in flood plains or on steep slopes, etc.

When DPZ allows development to proceed without strict enforcement of our weak and ambiguous regulations it often results in land being stripped of forests and completely graded in order to achieve maximum density, even when clearly inappropriate. This in turn results in a higher percentage of impervious surfaces, and thus even more challenging storm water management. This has proven problematic throughout the county. But in Ellicott City is has proven deadly.

I applaud Council Member Liz Walsh for introducing this legislation to protect her constituents. I think many citizens would love to see the same limitations enacted throughout the county, but understand the reality of starting small when one can anticipate resistance.

I was encouraged that while some department heads failed to make time for Ms. Walsh in order to work on amendments together, they did at least show up for the work session. Deputy Directors attended for DPZ and DPW, while the Director of Rec & Parks attended. None the less I could feel my irritation grow at the sound of “We need more time to study the ramifications.” (Keep in mind this bill was pre-filed in June!) I’m hoping they will have completed their review of the amendments before this evening’s Council session. I do soooo enjoy when Ms. Walsh calls them out when deserved for not being prepared, having requested data, etc. I firmly believe this will result in more transparent and efficient government!  [I remain frustrated, however that HoCo frequently skirts the rules themselves when constructing government projects. This models bad behavior for developers who expect to receive the same concessions on their projects.]

Here is a quick comparison of the handling of CB 38 vs. CB 42.

Issue CB-38 protecting EC watershed CB-42  development impact fees
Number of sponsors & co-sponsors 1 4
bill been amended? extensively No
Fought by develop- ment community? Yes Yes
Resisted by County departments? DPW, DPZ,
Rec& Parks
Depts. attend
meeting to work on?
NO n/a
Depts. attend work session? Yes by DPW, DPZ, Rec & Parks Neither DPZ nor BoE as requested
Supported by citizens? Yes,
All but affordable housing coalitions
Supported by other Council members? Opposition from
Rigby & Yungmann*
Opposition from
Rigby & Yungmann**
Likely outcome 10/7 Tabled Tabled
* Jones not present @ work session ** Jones missed half work session

Ms. Walsh has bravely been on her own with this comprehensive piece of legislation, despite campaign promises to work for this type of legislation from other council members when candidates. It should be noted that Ms. Walsh considered EVERY criticism provided in written and oral testimony and opted to eliminate all provisions which were drawing criticism from the development community or from HoCo department heads. This has left a heavily amended, very bare bones version of the bill. But it is one which provides incremental improvement. It is not PERFECT, but it does represent PROGRESS—a value Ms. Walsh clearly embraces. She is clearly willing to compromise and exhibits the skill and patience to decisively do so.

While work sessions provide a peak into how Council members will vote, it is not always definitive. Sometimes work sessions posing lots of questions appear to be used to offer lengthy explanations for why the Council member will not be voting for something. Absences at work sessions are concerning.

Logic would dictate that EVERY council member could vote in favor of this amended bill given the stripping of ALL objectionable terms and conditions to satisfy both developers and Department Heads. But it has been my experience as an observer that logic seemingly plays little role in government affairs. I fear CB-38 will simply be tabled ‘for further input’.  Citizens who share my viewpoint can accept that, but ONLY IF CB-40, EXTENDING BY 3 MONTHS THE MORATORIUM ON BULDING in the Tiber and Plumtree watersheds IS PASSED.  I’d bet that Council members NOT supporting CB-40 and eventually CB-38 will be clearly identified as having conflicts of interest from accepting developer monies and may become “one-termers.”

Gosh, that’s two bets in two days!

Attend or tune in to tonight’s session at 7pm on Comcast channel 99 or Verizon channel 44 or by streaming

—-And meet me on the high road,


How Come ‘The Perfect’ Is So Often the Enemy Of ‘The Good’?

How Come ‘The Perfect’ Is So Often the Enemy Of ‘The Good’?

After a long silence, I’d like to share the following advice to our County Council: Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good, meaning we should not be paralyzed into inaction because we cannot achieve a perfect solution to a specific problem. The idealized perfect solution becomes an obstacle to solutions that are adequate, or at least an improvement on what we have now. (Neurologica 10/9/17)

There are numerous, perhaps too many, meaty pieces of legislation before the County Council this month which MAY be brought to a vote tomorrow, October 7th. I say MAY, because if a betting woman, I’d have money down on two bills of great personal interest being tabled (put off). I hope they are of interest to you as well, both for the bills’ content/ intent AND for the activities that will likely delay their consideration.

After attending the Council legislative session, reading testimony submitted, and attending the Council work sessions on September 27 and October 4 I fear the handwriting is on the wall. Despite my sincere hope for a new day, it appears nothing much is going to change at this point. Like Councils before them, SOMETHING will prevent our new Council from actually passing meaningful legislation to increase developer impact fees (CB-42-2019) and to protect lives in the Patapsco Watershed by strengthening development and subdivision regulations in the Ellicott City Floodplain (CB-38-2019).

Some background on each, and the reason for my pessimism:

CB-42-2019 proposes to raise the impact fees on residential new development from $1.32 to $6.81 per square foot.

With 4 of 5 Council members sponsoring or co-sponsoring (Rigby, Jung, Jones, Walsh), one would expect this bill to be a sure and easy pass. As one with a death grip on optimism, I looked at this bill and thought “AT LAST!  It has been a multiyear journey to get here, but I see the light at the end of the tunnel.” Yet, how oddly poetic (or perhaps suspicious?) that this bill is brought forward at a point in time when parents are frantic over proposed redistricting. Parents have little remaining energy to consider the root cause of overcrowding/ lack of capacity within our school system.  Significantly lower developer fees in HoCo, compared with surrounding jurisdictions, have for decades supported rapid development without provision for adequate public facilities.   As a result HoCo schools and roadways are hopelessly overcrowded and forests are disappearing at a frightening rate. It feels like every ploy imaginable—and a few unimaginable –have been utilized to delay/prevent any negative impact on developers:

Who could comprehend former Executive Kittleman sitting on the APFO committee’s final recommendations for a full year only to introduce the legislation as basically written by the committee— and with so few points of agreement due to the committees inability to achieve super majority votes?

What activist can forget this post midnight scene? ……… Builders congratulate each other for quietly running out the legislative time clock when over capacity was redefined in the APFO bill to be 105% in elementary, 110% for middle, and for the first time setting a capacity on high schools (115%) beyond which development would be halted for up to 4 years. When APFO eventually passed, how many were surprised by the staggered effective date?

Who could have imagined our State Legislators would take three years (with a different delaying tactic each year) to pass the new enabling legislation that finally permits the Council to raise fees, but with predetermined exemptions.

In the current Council session Diffuse and Confuse continues to be tops in the Building Industry’s playbook and sadly it appears to be working yet again. How come the light at the end of the tunnel has once again proven to be the Development Train, loaded down with sad prophesies of the demise of Howard County, of the building industry, and (the red flag) of affordable housing? To quote Hiruy Lucas Hadgu, “The only time developers invoke affordable housing and equity is to protect their profits. This is not to say elected officials ………. don’t want to create equity or help bring affordable housing, but using their public profiles to elevate the message of developers is not a good way to show it.”

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom……..

It isn’t possible to describe here the intricate inter-relationship between developer impact fees, the Adequate Public Facilities Ordinance, School Redistricting, and Affordable Housing but you are welcome to revisit previous posts for a refresher.  You can also refer to › maryland › howard › cng-ho-oped-guarn…

Yes, the Council should consider the opinions of everyone who presents or submits testimony, but hopefully they will identify that testimony which is completely self-serving and detrimental to the public good. I applaud the Council sharing how they arrived at the new fee to eliminate the argument that it was baseless.

I admit to personally having difficulty accepting that only 42% of new enrollments are generated by new development. I challenge how DPZ narrowly defines a new student and their assertion that new homes only generate .5 students per newly constructed household.  Consequently I’d be happiest with an even higher fee since the current rate only covers the debt service on school construction.

I applaud the Council calling a work session on CB-42 to get additional information from the Board of Education and from the Department of Planning and Zoning in order to reach their best decision. Since both the BoE and the DPZ failed to attend the session (terribly disrespectful!) I feel the Council should not allow itself to be further delayed.

The proposed rate is not perfect, BUT, I would prefer to settle for the $6.81 rate immediately, before more developments escape it completely. With so little undeveloped land remaining, many already consider us ‘built out.’ We can never recapture that which was given away during previous administrations, but we can say THIS is the new rate for now—without exception– and set a re-evaluation date 2 to 3 years in the future.  That wouldn’t be PERFECT, but it would be GOOD. And GOOD is far superior to our existing BAD situation.


Rather than debating endlessly who should be exempted, who should be grandfathered, who should be discounted, etc. I urge the Council to move forward and vote.

In my opinion there are important lessons here–

For the Building Industry:

  • Come up with some fresh talking points. The current ones are stale and disingenuous.
  • Don’t expect sympathy from citizens. Man up, pay your fare share, and be thankful for all the years you got to ride the gravy train at citizen expense.
  • If you love dense barren development, feel free to move YOUR family into some.

For HoCo Department Heads and staffs:

  • Show the Council the respect and the courtesy of showing up when requested at work sessions.
  • Come prepared; don’t rely on “I don’t know that off the top of my head” or “I don’t have that material with me” to delay the Council from taking action.
  • Accept the fact that they may move on without you if you ignore the points above.

For Council members:

  • Remember providing adequate facilities to citizens trumps providing yet more income to developers, builders, land use attorneys, and realtors.
  • Please don’t sponsor a bill if you intend to weaken it by undertaking the role of Defender of the Detractors
  • Avoid checking texts from the ever present Party operative(s) during work sessions. It’s too easy for attendees to see who is hitting send just before you glance at your phone and offer new counter arguments.
  • Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good! 

For me:

  • Don’t try to contrast two important bills in one blog. This one is not perfect but I need to get it published.
  • So practicing what I preach, I’ll move on and try to address CB-38 in another blog before Monday evening

Let the Council know what you think about CB-42 ( and meet me on the high road,